Sid, I want a Romantic era guitar

Updated on June 1, 2021 in General Stuff
17 on May 8, 2021

Sid, I like the repertoire of Carcassi, Sor and Carulli and would like to have a decent romantic guitar (replica) to play it on.

I am thinking of this one by Raimundo, because it is reasonably priced and because my daughter has a 3/4 size Raimundo classical that is good and has trebles like you can’t believe.

https://www.guitarfromspain.com/en/romantic-guitar-for-sale/455-raimundo-romantica-1900-romantic-guitar-with-case.html

Do you have and suggestions or recommendations?

Thanks,

Rob

 
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0 on May 8, 2021

That’s about 15 bills in USD. Let me ask around and see if there is anything in that price range that might be even more authentic… 😀

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0 on May 8, 2021

Thanks. I notice now that it has geared machine heads, which might come to bother me. On the other hand, period-authentic friction pegs might bother me even more!

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0 on May 9, 2021

That’s a very cool genre.

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0 on May 22, 2021
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0 on May 22, 2021

Can’t make the buttons work today, but this is the one I currently covet:

 

https://reverb.com/item/38431221-bernard-a-mirecourt-romantic-guitar-1830

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0 on May 23, 2021

There is a decent selection of early romantic guitars on reverb right now. One thing about the vintage exemplars, setting aside any possible issues with playability or intonation that might have evolved over the last +/-150 years: the scale and nut widths can be impossibly small by today’s standards.  I had a Tiefenbrunner from 1843 that was a compelling look at a world long gone, but the 596 scale and, especially, the 44mm nut width just didn’t work for me for a lot of contrapuntal music. The guy who built my modern reproductions is fond of pointing out that people are roughly 10 percent larger today than when those guitars were built. 🙂

45mm is about 1 3/4” and I’d want at least that much width. As well, the gut strings of the day were thinner—nylon strings will take up a lot more room on the board. That’s a big part of why, say, 48mm is considered “wide” for a fingerstyle steel-string, but “narrow” for a CG.

And, with all that said, these caught my eye, and some of them even have video…

https://reverb.com/item/38770547-franz-xaver-kerschensteiner-early-romantic-parlor-guitar-viennese-style-stauffer-neck-joint-ca-1900

https://reverb.com/item/36496051-south-german-romantic-guitar-1880-very-beautiful-and-good-sounding-guitar-video

https://reverb.com/item/36397096-romantic-guitar-weissgerber-style-1900

https://reverb.com/item/37543619-vienna-parlor-guitar-romantic-guitar-circa-1850

Keep in mind that I do favor the “Viennese” guitar builds over the Italian and French schools, all things being equal.

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0 on May 23, 2021

Wow, thanks, Sid. Those are delectable. I didn’t see any of those when I did my own boomer-level search.

I still like the appearance of the one I linked to above, though it didn’t occur to me to check the nut width. I play mostly on a 1¾” nut steel string, but I can’t see paying that much without trying it, or without some kind of return option, regardless of the specs.

If you’re at liberty to name your builder, I would consider looking at his replicas, or yours. He makes yours at 45mm?

Also, there’s an older English guy on the net who plays on gut strings, he says (Rob something, coincidentally), so presumably they’re obtainable. I could make my own, I guess, but I don’t have a cat.

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0 on May 24, 2021

Rob MacKillop. He’s an icon—especially among the no-nails set. He played a guitar by Tremblay—same luthier as me—for years.

If you are open to the idea of an early romantic guitar in the Spanish style, so the sound is more familiar, then the “La Canada” series by Jellinghaus and Blochinger has serious appeal.

Check out this FE (first epoch) Torres with antiqued wood/finish:

https://www.guitarsalon.com/product/la-canada-model-17a-2/

Be sure to click on the gear review link… oh, never mind, I’ll put it here:

http://classicalguitarmagazine.com/gear-review-la-canada-model-115-is-a-fine-new-guitar-based-on-an-antonio-de-torres-classic/

And watch that video of my friend and sometimes-coach Marc Teicholz crush it on one of these little Torres builds. 😀

 

 

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1 on May 25, 2021

Here’s another cool option if you don’t mind sticking with a more “Spanish” early Romantic sound: these little FE Torres builds in either generic rosewood, or maple (my preference for getting a different sound from the typical Spanish classical).

https://reverb.com/item/35852339-wolfgang-jellinghaus-torres-replica-classical-guitar-spruce-granadilo-b-sides

There’s a demo vid of both woods in there somewhere^^^

https://reverb.com/item/40663852-wolfgang-jellinghaus-mod-77-spruce-maple-b-sides-classical-guitar

 

 

on May 31, 2021

Sid, this one is still available and not too pricey for a playable conversation piece. The seller is a music store and he claims intonation is good to the 12th fret.

He’s in Rome, however, and not much I can do if I get stung.

https://reverb.com/item/37515648-hug-co-romantic-guitar-1900-ca

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0 on May 31, 2021

Sid, I’m getting warmer. Raimundo makes a replica that sounds fine to me for

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